Public Invite to Party Leaders
by jp9893
To My fellow Titulians,
I would first like to thank the RNC for electing me as its next leader and thank my successor,Julian for his service as our party leader. We will move this party forward and establish a better and more-productive RNC. I will begin my tenure as leader by asking party leaders involved in the RNC's past two coalitions to attend an inquiry. This inquiry is merely intended to figure out what happened in negotiations and what led to the impeachment and change of alliances. As with my predecessor, I would like for the RNC to continue the coaliton with the LRP unless otherwise stated. This coalition came so close, and I believe we can do more together. I look forward to working with them.
JP9893
RNC Leader
Codex said
Gerry, Gerry, don't let it worry you. You should know by now that Tom isn't overly concerned with facts. He frequently finds them inconvenient little things that only get in the way of his thoughts. ;)
T J Norton said
It just goes to show that your efforts were mediocre at best. There is no prop on record that called for national support of the idea for one. It's laughable that your side does the same thing election after election - you think a win gives you a mandate to ignore the legislature. Think about it Gerry - a bill of law is public record and can be verified .. a President's word is shallow unless there is an ackowledgement by Admin that such was received.
Other than that a lot of these individual claims that action was taken cannot be believed - anyone can copy and paste some text to a blog window. Nice try nonetheless ;-o)
Gerry Brady said
Tom, Are you illiterate, blind or just on this site to piss people off? " I brought this to Admins attention when I noticed it on my second election" - Gerard Brady. I think maybe you assume people are stupid and cannot read because there are so many straw men in every post you make its unreal. Come off your meds and back to reality.
T J Norton said
I'd expect nothing less than complete bias from you Gerry. You could have at least attempted to stick to the issue that was being discussed .. but like others on your side of politics you couldn't even attempt to stay on topic.
Beneath your undertones I am glad that we are in agreement. It can't be denied that this last election was a wake up call for technical reform. It's a pity that you didn't advocate such when you were President - as you have since admitted you were also aware of it.
Gerry Brady said
In short get over yourself, this is a site glitch which affects all people equally. Admin tried to correct it manually if you have an issue with that take it up with Admin and stop making yourself look like an idiot, your blaming the grass for the rain.
Gerry Brady said
Tom, Are you suggesting Admin is engaging in preferential treatment to members not of your party? This has been brought up before when I was president. My time zone is GMT and the clocks on elections are about six hours out I brought this to Admins attention when I noticed it on my second election, I was told by Admin there was no issue and the clocks would be fixed, this was obviously not the case but this was in a time when Admin was less forthcoming with help. We all agree this needs to be fixed and time zone need to be aligned properly to avoid these issues but to blame that on citizens or any political party is just stupid. It is obvious the fault in the clocks is beyond anyones control but Admin.
T J Norton said
Boyd, This has come about because Bill made an issue of it. Would it surprise you to learn that this has happened in almost every election over the past 6-7 months? I'll explain.
We have been led to believe - probably because it's the way it works on every other site - that the time zone settings are accurate. Well .. if that is to be believed then I suggest some go back and take a good look.
In GMT +10 .. which is Australian East Coast's time zone .. it has never been accurate for some months. Added to this inaccuracy in activity stamping .. it has also not been in line with the election timeframes. This last election was a prime example of that too. I even made the comment that according to the time provided .. balloting was open still for hours on end.
Whatever the cause, there can't be a double-standard between the candidates and the voters. If anything .. the voters deserve the higher consideration because there's one thing worse than a candidate being deprived of their nomination - that is the voters getting denied their say.
So election after election this has happened and no one has said a word. There would have been no point because as long as Admin was slow to respond .. the whole thing would have been knocked down and upheld by the Court if a Linardist backed candidate won the election.
If an RNC, LRP or other candidate missed out .. we know how this would have ended. "Tough shit" or thereabouts.
Boyd X. Biggs said
This is not a difficult or controversial question. Admin stipulated that nominations would be open for a certain length of time. For some reason (technical glitch?), nominations closed earlier than the announced deadline. Admin reopened the nominations period for the length of time that should have remained when nominations closed prematurely. I have heard the claim made that, in similar fashion, the polls closed prematurely. If this can be substantiated, I would join any petition to Admin to reopen the voting for whatever period of time should remain. But Delacruz is no way an illegal candidate.
Boyd X. Biggs said
I like the Freudian-slip way Gerry referred to the "high activity" of Linardist Party members. Paging the Animal.
T J Norton said
Oh DD. You are the perennial backtracker when the truth comes out.
It was convenient in Delacruz's election because you had the political advantage. In Karl's first election - the comment was specifically made (and openly admitted when clarification was sought) that the Linardist Party called that election purposely to freeze out Karl's candidacy.
The sheer weakness in your argument was the attempt to treat the two dissimilarly. The issue from stop to finish was the closure of nominations before interested persons could get on the ballot. At that time the Party Presidents were the only eligible candidates - as you well know and are doing your level best to distort the realities between.
The total time that anyone in that campaign would have had to wait until he got on the ballot was equal to or not long after the period Admin allowed for Delacruz to get on the ballot. This adds to the volumes of ways the Linardists have attempted to defraud the Republic with their false distinctions. It was a tactic seem miles off.
But in a way .. I am glad that this happened. I truly am. From here on in .. the deadline grey area can never be used again to prevent interested candidates from getting nominated. Precedent has forever been changed.
Thanks fellas ;-o)
MC Daddy D said
NORTON LIE CORRECTION: The nominating deadline had already passed when Dennis withdrew and wanted to nom Karl. In the case of the current prez, the nominating period ended 6-7 hours early, as Admin acknowledged. So, in Karl's case, the nom period was over. In the case of President Delacruz, the nom period was not over. So, once again, Norton the Liar has lied.
MC Daddy D said
Norton, shut up. You lie again, and so it's back on, coward. Every time you make some grandiose proclamation about us, you aren't even in the same solar system as the truth. Stick to what you know, which isn't much, liar. You accuse us of all kinds of nefarious shit, but not one of us has ever been convicted of a felony, much less multiple times — but you have. None of us have run away like a yellow belly, much less multiple times — but you have. None of us have run from party to party looking for someone, anyone, to give us a power base — but you have. And none of us created a party of clones when no one would back us — but you did. Like I said, Sir TomDevoidofFunk, it's back on, punk.
T J Norton said
ROFL! The Linardists have little interest in anything else in Titulia bar from what happens on the eastside. What they want is tollars - and a lot of it. In their tunnel vision they have the grandiose idea that if they buy up the real estate market they can dictate anything they want.
Good to see the board of the East Titulia Company with their usually "independent" view points ;-o)
Owen lost because he lost. Come election close he didn't have the numbers. That said .. Titulia has set a dangerous precedent now. When Karl Christen tried to get on the ballot .. every Linardist and their dog said it was tough shit and too late - twice. Astoundingly that doesn't apply when their own interests are at stake. Imagine the surprise of the citizenry .. very little.
Colonel said
Hilarious.
jp9893 said
I would still like for the LRP, Linardists , and the SDP to attend the inquiry to resolve these issues and move forward. I want to hear everyone on what happened and question several people on the two coalitions. I am not saying the coalitions were illegal - but that there was a lot of activity that led to the downfall of one and the sudden ally change. I would like for my predecessor to attend, and I hope he will. If you could, please decide on a date when all the leaders are available to attend this inquiry. I want the hearing to make everything clear and for the RNC to move on after.
Delacruz said
I have to agree with Money and Brady. Your party has made some pretty poor decisions lately.1. When Julian was elected President he made some very unwise choices by creating government positions that sounded immature and couldnt be intelligently explained.2. Both the RNC and the LRP have a very immature idea as to what a coalition is. Both your parties are stuck in an us vs them mentality and none of the other parties in Titulia want that kind of drama.3. Choosing Owenmerry to run for President was about the dumbest thing you could have done politically. Owenmerry has a pretty poor history of getting along with people and politically he's an absolute nutcase.4. Your party along with the LRP tends to hold grudges over nothing. Sometimes its good just to move on and leave the BS behind.5. Both the RNC and the LRP tend to have....how should I put this....many inactive accounts except around election time. You may think you have pulled the wool over the eyes of Titulia but your dead wrong. One major problem that both your parties have is that your stagnant. Out of the whole RNC I only hear Julian and JP and that says something. It says that none of your party members give a crap.6. Both the LRP and RNC are over negative parties. Everything is negative according to you guys. This isnt going to play well politically, as im sure you've already seen.7. The SDP LINS and TPP are not in a coalition. We do have common sense which is what both the LRP and RNC seem to lack. Thats probably why the parties seem to break down the way they do.8. If you want to be a viable party you need to get off the LRP teet and rebuild from the ground up...remember stay positive and engage other parties fairly and responsibly and your party will probably be taken serious again.For better or for worse thats all I have to say about that.
jp9893 said
I would like to thank you two for opening up and explaining what exactly happened. I am focused on bringing back the party after a disastrous leadership. I am only reconsidering the LRP Coalition, but for now it seems likely to be retained. However, I would like to hear what happened in negotiations with the LRP concerning the previous election.
Gerry Brady said
The reason for the change in alliances to the LRP is because they did not support your impeachment and as such instead of trying to form a strong single party you guys went to suckle at the nearest teet available for shelter from what Julian thought would be an upcoming legal storm.I would wager the LRP and RNC have very few common ideals or views in terms of social, ethical or even Titulian terms and that is why Merry failed so poorly in the last election.He had no agenda because he was an RNC candidate shackled by the fact that the LRP and more specifically Tom was setting the agenda for good or for ill. I know for a fact Owen was unhappy about the fact his agenda was held back from being what he wanted it to be by the alliance.That was the reason the campaign did not do well, Merry was never going to sell someone else's ideas well and in the end he didn't it was not in his makeup.Its like this politically at the moment in the numbers game the Linardists and LRP have a similar number of votes and make up maybe 25-30 of the votes in any election so in effect one of them will have to back you or both of them not run to win an election in a numbers game. Outside that the RNC and SDP are a similiar size about 5-7 votes each and are very useful politically because they are very active in proportion to their size. Then there are the independents, the commonwealth , the TPP and various others.Going back through the elections it seems one pattern is clear. The Lins and LRP are the big parties and the smaller ones have clustered around them effectively making every election a two horse race.From the results the independents tend to go for the Linardist backed candidate and there is a simple reason for this. Depite the similiar size of the LRP and Lins the people who do not regularly log in know who the Linardists are and what they stand for because they are on the whole an active party, the LRP on the other hand tend mainly to log in only around elections and even then very few of them have any recognisable footprint in Titulia. Their attachment to Tom Norton is also an issue for them because he was in the best of times divisive and he is now a complete liablity politically, this is the reason the LRP do not get votes outside their party often, the Titulian voters have longer memories than some people seem to think and the makeup of the independents has not much changed since the McVicker/Norton disaster of a presidency.If I was an RNC voter I would be worried about the rapid decline politically you guys have seen since december and the loss of all your major political representatives. I think you are now where the Libertarian party was when I first immigrated, in a sink or swim situation. The big guns are gone and a serious rethink is needed to keep the RNC viable.The SDP are small but have very active members and a great record in proportion to their size so they have a future.The Linardists are in great health and as the voting numbers get smaller and the race remains a two horse one they will only continue to hold their ground due to the close political ship they run and the high activity of many of their members.The LRP are large in numbers and continue to be a large player in the elections but off the top of their heads not many Titulians could name any of their members outside Tom. They have negligible participation rates, no real political footprint for voters to lookf fro and very few supporters outside their own party and will continue to be unviable as a government until that changes. Their best hope is to continue to chop and change alliances until they find one where they have the votes and someone else has the clout.Thats my two cents.
Gerry Brady said
Apart from Julians ill fated term the RNC came closest to the presidency when Luxis Avaram ran on his own against Greg Hock. He came close because instead of playing politics he put up an alternative vision and acted like a decent and honorable opponent.The RNC clearly do not have a leader as good as Luxis or John Daly or even Merry left or else they would not be being so petty about the issues Julian faced and they would not be making "enemies lists" or tying themselves to the most inactive party in the state. I mean you lads as a party are starting to sound like the a stereotype of high school girls with all the bitching, gossiping and plotting.The coverage in the TNC media was a case in point, it was seriously the lowest standard of journalism I have seen out of your guys yet. Ye made assertion after assertion with no evidence and kept talking in such partisan terms it read like a primary school newsletter. The LRPs paper although better structured is even worse for lack of any journalistic integrity.JP,The reason Julians presidency collapsed was a number of things:- He ignored the supporters who had put him there once in office.- He started acting as if he was not part of a coalition and went off making up policies which frankly were stupid and ill thought out ie the Bank Governer and the Sheriff.- He through his actions ignoring his allies and in some cases being openly hostile to them lost all his voting base and from then on was a sitting duck he had tops four votes left by day four.- He then started to use his own private companies as government functions, refused to give out transcripts to the open press and made some very questionable statements at press conferences.The bottom reason Julians coalition died is because he drive away all his supporters within four days. He stopped listening to the advice of even his cabinet and he ignored campaign promises to focus on things that not one citizen supported. He then made major mistakes from an ethical and legal standpoint which was the straw that broke the camels back.
William D. Money said
Well, then you do not need to hear from the Linardists if you are already committed to your alliance with the LRP. As for why your party is no longer aligned with us, that was your choice. After your leader Julian proved to be incompetent as president, and committed so many ethical and legal violations that he became the first president to be impeached, your party ran to the LRP, formed a coalition, then nominated a convicted felon for president. Then proving he is a coward, rather than face his punishment like a full grown man, OwenMerry emigrated. So, after all that, you announce you want to continue with the LRP. I remember when the RNC used to stand for something.